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« Back to General Discussion 31/10/2021 at 12:00 1 1 #10817 Weemonk23
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So what exactly have the UKGC achieved over the past year with some of their key changes to the UK industry?

The sound has now gone from a win if that win only equals the stake you are playing at. Apart from it being weird will this achieve anything in making a player reduce their play or play more responsibly? No. It would have made more sense to not allow a game to put 'Big win' if that win equalled say 10x your stake or under. Too many games make a fuss of a win if that win is actually nothing great when taking into account the x value of your spin.

Autoplays have gone. Yes, this may very well deter some players, especially the impatient ones, from playing some games, as long or maybe altogether (doubtful on the last). It may also mean that a player can no longer gamble in the background whilst doing another task.
What it does do for those that play regularly is not allow them to easily keep track of how many spins have been put through a game which many people do and call it a day after x amount of spins. Ultimately though it achieves nothing as auto clickers will override the change.

Removal of bonus buys. Granted, it removes the opportunity of betting larger amounts of money in a quick amount of time BUT some of the games out are very hard to bonus. I've put over a 1000 spins (i got triggered) through Money Train just to get a bonus that paid less than 30x. The money this cost far outweighed a bonus buy. Also, the chances of achieving a top feature on a game (e.g. Nolimit games) is very very remote and the overall cost trying for this over a set period again outweighs a bonus buy. The removal of bonus buy has disadvantaged the UK player.

Can't wait to see what they come up with next and then pat themselves on the back about. Do they actually have anyone working for them that understands the player perspective? I am very tempted to write to them with my thoughts.

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01/11/2021 at 04:15 1 0 #10873 Jimboscooker
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Useless. I've already found that I go to roulette far sooner than I normally would because the autoplays are gone. They should be concentrating on a whole.host of stuff in regards to responsible gambling but they have decided to change stuff that imo doesn't have anything to do with responsible gambling and in the case of autoplays actually is detrimental to responsible gambling. It's as if the people making the decisions don't gamble and they are just doing shit because they get paid to do it. Only other thing is maybe they have shares or something in live casinos. Push the online traffic towards land based casinos. 

Superdavey is one lucky SOB
02/11/2021 at 15:42 0 0 #10889 SecularSlots
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Yeah i stated about 6 months ago that people will be turning to table games a lot more! I had a chat with someone in the UKGC, after i made an affiliation video in 2020. They called me and i stated to them that removing auto spins was a big mistake..

02/11/2021 at 18:36 0 0 #10890 Pilo
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SecularSlots - 02/11/2021 at 15:42

Yeah i stated about 6 months ago that people will be turning to table games a lot more! I had a chat with someone in the UKGC, after i made an affiliation video in 2020. They called me and i stated to them that removing auto spins was a big mistake..

You gotta know people are gonna be curious about how that conversation went mate

Bruh
04/11/2021 at 10:05 0 0 #10898 shakinaces
Posts: 78 User

The most confusing thing is that they've trashed slots, but not touched roulette and other table games.


So I can't spend £20 to buy a 20p bonus on a slot because I might bankrupt myself.  I can't set myself for a potential loss of up to £20 by setting off 100 x 20p autoplays because it may end in disaster.


But I can go over to live roulette and whack down £5k on a single spin without any form of affordability checks... and I'm allowed to set that off on 100 x autoplays no worries.  Who cares if I lose £500k using roulette autoplay chasing my jackpot number, huh?  And that's the last site I was on which adopted a lot of the 'responsible gambling' measures early, I know other sites have much higher maximum limits for roulette.


Mental.

04/11/2021 at 10:49 0 0 #10899 Weemonk23
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Brilliant point  shakinaces  

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04/11/2021 at 22:24 0 0 #10907 pokersmasher
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"The most confusing thing is that they've trashed slots, but not touched roulette and other table games."

Perhaps it's just exactly as you have alluded to. If the UKGC see slots as a bigger threat than table games then the steps taken in recent times are all designed to restrict the access to bonuses.

1. the banning altogether of bonus buys

followed up by

2. remove autoplays to discourage players from just using the autoplayfunctions to gather features whilst doing other things - a quasi bonus buy of sorts.

3. the reduction in spins via the increased interval between spins to 2.5 seconds.

Maybe just maybe their research indicates that slots are more likely to be a problem to at risk gamblers. If this is not the case why on earth would more restrictions not be placed on table games.

05/11/2021 at 14:20 1 0 #10919 shakinaces
Posts: 78 User

pokersmasher - 04/11/2021 at 22:24


If this is not the case why on earth would more restrictions not be placed on table games.


Because like the thread title says, they're clueless? 😅


It's sort of the reverse of the decision they made for bookies, where £50-£100 spins on roulette were supposedly the big danger and had to be removed from the FOBTs.  Sure, that also meant no more big bets on slots, but had no impact on the £2 spin limit, autoplay, speed of games etc.

Part of their own research also noted that people that don't autoplay tend to play (on average) at higher stakes, so whilst you can't directly link the two, it would be a fair hypothesis that removal of autoplay will mean people increase their spin size (which to me feels like it would be more likely to lead to financial problems).  Also seems fair to note that it seemed to be mostly led by a survey of only 33 self-diagnosed problem gamblers, which doesn't seem like a significant sample size (to me).

That said, clearly some slot players are also a bit clueless:

A small number (around 7%) of respondents indicated that they felt using auto-play improved their chances of winning, despite it having no such impact.

If only it was that easy to get some wins! (and before anyone points it out, I know there are a small number of arcade slots which offer increased RTP if you autoplay, which would technically make these 7% correct if that was the sort of game they were thinking of when answering the surveys)

05/11/2021 at 15:00 0 0 #10921 pokersmasher
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Hi 

Your points are well made and it is great to have people like you here who take the time and trouble to try and interpret and understand the UKGC although at times it acts so irrationally that it just makes no sense.

I was simply musing at to why they may have acted in the way they did and was not criticising your post at all although you may have suspected that I had done so. I actually totally agree with you.1

The so called research they have conducted is woeful and perhaps influenced unduly by some of the gambling companies to suit other agendas. Put simply the UKGC is not fit for purpose and there is little prospect of this changing.

05/11/2021 at 15:04 0 0 #10922 Weemonk23
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Has anyone really challenged the UKGC with regards to their credentials? Maybe an open letter could be drafted by us 😈

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05/11/2021 at 15:18 0 0 #10923 Jimbocasino
Posts: 633 Den Owner

Not the worst idea  Weemonk23  


clearly they are looking for ways to improve the safety of those who are most at risk by gambling, albeit falling short on most of their actions in my opinion.

Perhaps not only we could write up an open letter on where they have gone wrong, but propose some changes that can be beneficial to their cause, without ruining the casino experience for the rest of us.

anyone up the challenge??

WORD TO YA MOTHAAAZZ
05/11/2021 at 15:39 0 0 #10924 SecularSlots
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I had a person I was emailing back and forth at the UKGC after they were put in touch with me about my affiliation video.. But that person left the job start of this year..

My chat with them mainly was in regards to dodgy affiliation deals but I also brought up streaming and the way they approach players in general. I made it very clear that most people disagree with their decisions due to the fact they ONLY make these decisions based on the POV of gambling addicts and those who have never gambled.

Well, that's the way I see it..


Anyway, I would be up for drafting a letter or helping out in any way 

Kevin

05/11/2021 at 15:58 0 0 #10925 GameRoom
Posts: 68 User

they got feedback from Game care forum for auto spin ban





05/11/2021 at 16:04 0 0 #10926 shakinaces
Posts: 78 User

pokersmasher - 05/11/2021 at 15:00

I was simply musing at to why they may have acted in the way they did and was not criticising your post at all although you may have suspected that I had done so. I actually totally agree with you.1


All good, I just think the first line of my last post sums up almost everything the GC does 😅


That said, I am very appreciative of the need to do more to help those that have problems controlling their gambling.  A guy I used to play footy with felt he had to end things after his gambling spiralled out of control and it is clearly far too easy for people to feel like they've reached that point now that it is so easily accessible online.

It just feels (to me) that the bigger issue is taking ownership of affordability and putting in more checks up front during the account opening process to confirm what people can afford.  Seems mad that I could theoretically sit here and open 100s of new accounts across different sites and deposit & play thousands on each of them in spite of being on a moderate income and no stored wealth of that magnitude. 

Ideally (IMO) there would be some sort of independent process like there is for financial credit checking that can advise bookies / casinos when you sign up as to what you can afford and allow them so set default limits that remain unless you can provide proof that you can afford to lose more.  It would obviously then need to somehow track your play over time to avoid the issue of people just moving to the next site when they hit their deposit / loss limit.

I know that would still need to include some flexibility, where sports bettors in particular may want to save up their limit.  Eg you may only be approved for £500 per month, but as a jumps fan you want to have the option to punt £1-2k through Cheltenham and the road to the Grand National meeting in March - April and ease off the rest of the year, or a footy fan may want to go large during a World Cup but then punt less frequently the rest of the season.  It may even be that way for many casino players - appreciate that streamers may want to take on more risk for that one month per year where they hit a subscriber milestone and want to do a much larger stream or bonus hunt!

Without something of this nature though, the recent changes to the games themselves just don't feel like they really help that many people who need it. 

05/11/2021 at 16:08 0 0 #10927 Weemonk23
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I'm well up for doing this  Jimbocasino  . It may fall on deaf ears but as a collective of players and streamers I'm sure we could put forward a good case as to where they should concentrate their efforts.

And what  GameRoom  pointed out is bob on. They are only listening to the areas that deal with addiction. I would expect  pokersmasher  would want in on this.

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